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1995 Duke-UNC at Cameron Indoor Stadium: An oral history

Duke guard Jeff Capel, who hit a 35-foot shot to send the game into double overtime, helped his struggling team compete with highly ranked UNC on Feb. 2, 1995.
Duke guard Jeff Capel, who hit a 35-foot shot to send the game into double overtime, helped his struggling team compete with highly ranked UNC on Feb. 2, 1995. Courtesy of Duke Sports Information

Twenty years later Jeff Capel is in the same spot in Cameron Indoor Stadium, retracing the same steps, seeing again, in his mind, the same things he saw that night.

“So Cherokee (Parks) – Chief – gets the rebound,” says Capel, now a Duke assistant coach who played at the school from 1993-97. “And he hits me. And I catch it like right here.”

Capel is standing now just beyond the 3-point line near the visitor’s bench at Cameron Indoor. The lights are on but the place is quiet, eerie. The bleachers are tucked away, giving the court a larger feel.

“I think I remember Ed Geth was the closest one,” Capel says, referring to the North Carolina reserve forward. “And I remember two, three dribbles with my left hand. And I got to about right here.”

Now he is standing just beyond the mid-court line, a couple steps to the left and in front of the center court logo. This is where, 20 years ago to the day – late on Feb. 2, 1995 – Capel released one of the most memorable shots in the history of the Duke-UNC basketball rivalry, a 35-footer that fell through while the buzzer sounded at the end of the first overtime.

The Tar Heels, led by the likes of Jerry Stackhouse and Rasheed Wallace, were ranked No. 2 at the time. They went on to the Final Four. Duke, led by Capel, Chris Collins and a freshman class of Trajan Langdon, Ricky Price and Steve Wojciechowski, was winless in the ACC, 0-7, and on its way to a 13-18 finish while coach Mike Krzyzewski sat out, recovering from back surgery.

For one night, though, one of UNC’s best teams, and one of Duke’s worst, were equals. Or nearly equals. After Capel’s shot completed a Blue Devils rally in which they erased a nine-point deficit with about a minute and a half left in the first overtime, UNC prevailed in the second overtime with a 102-100 victory.

Some say Cameron Indoor Stadium has never been louder than it was when Capel made that shot, nearly from halfcourt. Some say that in a long line of great, memorable Duke-UNC games, that one was the greatest of them all. It all happened 20 years ago.

“Has it been 20 years?” Price, a freshman on that Duke team, asked recently. “Man, I’m getting old, man. It doesn’t feel like 20 years, now that you mention it. But it is 20 years, and I hope that they talk about that when they play again this year and they highlight that.

“It was a great, great, great game. Man, that was 20 years ago? You hurt my feelings right there.”

The game is memorable not just for Capel’s shot or for UNC’s narrow victory. It included, too, a ferocious reverse dunk from Stackhosue – perhaps the single most indelible moment of his time at UNC – and no shortage of dunks from Wallace, some of which he punctuated with loud screams.

The game included run after run – after run – with UNC leading big early, and then Duke storming back. And then with Duke leading by double-digits in the second half, before UNC stormed back.

And then with the Tar Heels leading by nine, the game seemingly over, with about 90 seconds to play in the first overtime. And then with Duke erasing that lead.

And then

And then Wojciechowski missed a short jumper that could have forced the game into a third overtime, and Greg Newton, the Duke forward who rebounded that miss, quickly forced another shot that was short, too. And it was over.

“I just remember it being about 350 degrees in the gym,” Dante Calabria, then a UNC junior, said during a recent phone interview. “And it’s funny because I’ve seen that replay a couple of times and at the end of the game when Greg Newton got the rebound, I’m standing right next to him and I was so tired it was very difficult for me to even raise my hands to contest the shot.

“It looks like I did it half-halfheartedly but I was doing it 100 percent.”

Duke and UNC have played plenty of times for championships. There have met 11 times in ACC tournament finals, and games at the end of the regular season to determine which team would finish in first place in the conference.

Those kinds of stakes were absent that night. It was only a mid-season game between two teams headed in opposite directions. Yet the memory of it has endured, kept alive by the countless replays of Stackhouse’s dunk and Capel’s shot, and kept alive, too, by the people who experienced it – who played in it or watched it from a seat in Cameron, or at home.

For players, it remains one of the best games they’ve ever played in. Jeff McInnis, the UNC point guard that night, said recently “it was probably the best game” he played in during his three years with the Tar Heels. Capel said it would have been, without question, had Duke held on.

For me, it was without exaggeration one of the most memorable sporting events of my childhood, one that solidified my desire to one day grow up and write about sports – ACC basketball in particular. For some reason, that game has stuck with me for the past two decades.

I was 13 then, an awkward eighth grader with few discernible basketball skills except a streaky ability to shoot well from the outside. And so like thousands – maybe tens of thousands of kids across North Carolina – I spent the weeks after that game attempting to replicate Capel’s shot in the driveway, or the church gym, or on the courts next to the parking lot at school.

Anywhere there was a hoop, really. Capel laughs at that – that I spent a lot of time imitating the most memorable shot of his college career. He’s taking me through the play again now.

“I was getting here,” he says, standing roughly where he released that shot. “And then the thing I was thinking is am I going to shoot it off one foot or two? So am I going to get close enough at the time where I can get it and get my feet under me? Or am I going to have to shoot it like that?

“When it left my hand it felt good.”

It went in and the place went crazy – people spilling from the bleachers, some of whom thought the game ended in that moment – and they put five more minutes on the clock ...

Oral history of epic game

JEFF CAPEL (sophomore guard, Duke): At times I feel like yesterday I was out here playing. And I don’t know if it’s because I miss it. I miss those days. I can still remember just about everything from that game.

RICKY PRICE (freshman forward, Duke): Has it been 20 years? Man, I’m getting old, man. It doesn’t feel like 20 years, now that you mention it. But it is 20 years, and I hope that they talk about that when they play again this year and they highlight that. It was a great, great, great game. Man, that was 20 years ago?

PETE GAUDET (interim head coach, Duke): I’ve never watched the game, but I do remember that we were down at the start and then we had a stretch where we played very, very well. And it was an incredibly competitive game with guys like Cherokee Parks going against Rasheed and Stackhouse, I think they’ve replayed Stackhouse going baseline – a great play at the bucket – as much as they’ve replayed Jeff’s shot. I don’t remember too many individual plays.

PRICE: I don’t care what the situation is, in February when they play, ESPN Classic’s always showing the older games. They always show that game. And after Jeff hit that shot from half court, it’s funny, underneath the basket that’s me – and people always text and be like, I saw you running like a wild man after the shot was made.

JEFF MCINNIS (sophomore guard, North Carolina): I always watch on (ESPN) Classic and I miss parts of it and I try to see it. I’ve got it on tape somewhere, on video, but I actually want to get the disc. I’ve been calling Eric Hoots at Carolina a couple of times, trying to get it. But I need to get my hands on it. I’ve got to get that game. I’ve got kids, man. My son is 14. I want him to see that game.

CAPEL: There was nervous energy, like it is for just about every game, but especially that game. And just wanting to feel that. That game was always different. No matter what anyone says, Duke-Carolina is different. You can feel it walking on campus. The days leading up, especially the day of the game. You can feel it when you’re out here before the clock starts at 60 minutes, you’re out here shooting. You can just feel it. You can feel the energy, you can feel that it’s different. And so there was a nervous energy. That’s what I remember feeling.

MCINNIS: We were supposed to really beat them, just blow them out that game, because it was down year for them. And we knew as players coming in it was definitely not going to be easy. Whoever was playing for Duke or Carolina, it would always be a game.

PRICE: The rivalry itself just overshadows everything. To play in a game like that, this is why you go to Duke. You go to Duke to play in this game.

DANTE CALABRIA (junior forward, North Carolina): That era of Duke-Carolina was a phenomenal, phenomenal era – head-to-head competition. Now that particular game, I just remember it was a battle. I mean, went one way, went the other way, went one way, Jeff hits a long shot to make it go to (double) overtime. We go to overtime, go to a second overtime. I just remember it being about 350 degrees in the gym.

MCINNIS: Jeff Capel and I played AAU together. Ricky Price, I knew him from L.A. Going to camps with a lot of guys. Greg Newton. Me and Greg Newton had a crazy friendship. And then just all those guys. We’d see each other we’d basically eat at the same places, we’d hang out at the same places. So definitely we knew them, and we were friends with some of them.

CAPEL: That was the weird part about that year for us. And I can’t speak for all of my teammates. I know for me, every game we played I thought we had a chance to win. Like we were talented but all of them (were close). The only game that wasn’t was at UCLA. And they kicked us. They kicked our butt.

MCINNIS: Oh, geez. It’s always the same environment there. It’s nasty. It’s incredible. You know, they’ve got the craziest home court advantage around with it being 10,000 fans. Ten thousand fans in there. I mean, it’s a crazy environment, man, they’re right on top of you. They’re yelling. They’re screaming. They’re right on top of you. So it’s just a crazy environment at Duke and I love it. It was motivation for me. To me, it was probably my favorite place to play on the road.

PRICE: I was nervous at the beginning of that game because they were ranked, I guess, number one in the nation, number two in the nation. And we weren’t ranked and having a tough year with coach (Mike Krzyzewski) being out. And so I thought we had a chance to win the game. But you’ve got to understand, it’s Duke-Carolina, man. Anything can happen.

MCINNIS: While we’re getting dressed, we’re in this small locker room right (below) the student section. You can’t even hear getting dressed. They’re jumping, they’re stomping while you’re trying to get dressed. So they make the environment so nasty for you. And it’s good. It’s good. Like we were just talking, I don’t care what they do. We could get dressed outside. Guys yelling stuff. We own Duke. This is our university.

PRICE: You’ve got to throw the rankings and all that stuff out the window. It’s just going to be a hell of a game when those two teams play. And again, that’s what happened.

CAPEL: I think that game, at least during my time of understanding the rivalry – I think that one epitomizes it the most. Because you always hear you can throw records out the window. But usually both teams are ranked. Usually both teams are really good when they play. But that year, we weren’t. And they were. We were talented but we weren’t good, and it’s a huge difference. And we weren’t winning. And so I think that one resonates because that’s kind of like the epitome of what the rivalry is about.

PHIL FORD (assistant coach, North Carolina): I think if anything you take from that game that when Duke-Carolina plays, I think you can throw records, what’s going on early in the season, who’s sick, who’s not sick, who’s playing, who’s not playing out the window.

CAPEL: I tell people, and I really believe this. Like, that Carolina team may be the best team I played against in my four years in college. It was either that team or the Carolina team my freshmen year. They just hated each other – the freshmen and the seniors. They played well when they played us because they didn’t want to lose to us. That team, man, was so talented, and was so good.

MCINNIS: The year before (at Duke), we were freshmen and they were number one and we were number two and Derrick Phelps got hurt and I had to play an eight-minute stretch and we wound up winning the game, and I remember (Jerry) Stackhouse and Rasheed (Wallace), we all were freshmen, on the court to win the game and right then we kind of said all right, man, if we can beat Grant Hill at Duke, then we shouldn’t lose (against Duke) the rest of our careers.

CAPEL: They were kicking our butt early. But then we fought. Which was kind of like our thing. We fought but it was never enough that year. (I) felt we could win from the start. When they got off to that start it was like, I don’t know, man.

PRICE: We started three freshmen. Myself, Trajan Langdon and Steve Wojciechowski all started that game. And so back in the day, starting three freshmen was a big deal. In today’s game, starting three freshmen is probably what you have to do based on how good these kids are. But I can remember playing in the first half and we led and then having that confidence like, we can beat this team.

MCINNIS: With coach K not being there – that’s the other thing, coach K was sick and he wasn’t coaching that game – we just felt at some point, we knew they were going to play really, really hard for coach K.

CAPEL: And then we got going. We got going. Cherokee was playing very well. Trajan was knocking in shots. Ricky Price got going. I didn’t really get going until the second half – actually until late when I started scoring.

Stack’s dunk: ‘Was that that game?’

PRICE: The Stackhouse dunk was incredible because I remember I had just subbed out of the game. And so as I was subbing out and taking a seat on the bench, I could see everything. And on the far side at Cameron he made a reverse dunk that night. And it was just so powerful and so quick and athletic.

CALABRIA: I happened to be looking at him, and I saw the whole thing happen in slow motion.

FORD: Was that that game? The up and under? Ok. Well. That was a fantastic play. I’ve seen him do some amazing things. You’ve got to realize, I started watching Jerry play when he was in the 10th grade.

CAPEL: I played AAU in high school with Stackhouse and with McInnis. And so I had come out of the game. I don’t remember the exact time. But I remember I was out of the game when Stackhouse caught the ball right around there, and when I saw him take the first dribble and he got low, I remember on the bench, like, he’s going to try to dunk it. And then when he went and reversed it under and dunked it and got fouled, I just remember thinking, like, holy like, these dudes are so good. And his walk back. And it was just like, wow.

MCINNIS: I kind of knew, when (Stackhouse) went under. Because I had played with him in high school at Oak Hill. So I’d kind of seen a lot of stuff like that. It’s a good play, (but) he’s done some stuff way crazier than that. Just for him to do it in that atmosphere, at Duke, on ESPN when nobody expected it, it was awesome. So he’s that kind of player but the reaction, with the walk and all that – that’s what kind of threw everybody for a loop. The walk.

PRICE: There was another play, though, in that game. Rasheed Wallace, and it got me in Sports Illustrated, and a couple of guys from my class have teased me about that. Because it was a long rebound. Rasheed Wallace went up out of nowhere and three guys – myself, Cherokee Parks and Erik Meek were underneath. And he just plowed through over the top and just dunks on all three of us.

GAUDET: I remember, you know, we were on a roll and fairly close to halftime, you know, just had a turnover, and the thought, come on guys, we have to play the perfect game. And then we got down and toward the end, obviously it wasn’t looking good, but this is a crazy game.

CAPEL: The crowd just kept giving us even more energy, and then we took the lead and then we built on the lead. And you talk about moments where it went silent. We had a lead, we had just hit a three in the second half and the place is going bananas. And I can’t remember what it put us up by, but us up by like six or eight. And all of a sudden they come down and they take a shot and miss it and Rasheed Wallace goes over like three guys and gets a tip dunk. And I do remember like the crowd going, ‘Oooooohhhh,’

CALABRIA: That stuff happened almost daily in practice. So you get those guys that are so athletic and have a good knowledge of the game of basketball, they can do things like that repeatedly. And you almost kind of take it for granted that they are going to do that, rather than looking at it as a spectacular move.

CAPEL: As we got back in it and started chipping away, and then we got confidence and fed off the energy, that’s when I thought, like we’re going to do this. We’re going to beat them. We’re going to win this game. And for us, it was like that could turn the rest of the season around. Because that was the last game of the first time around. And if we can get this one, that can get our mojo going back.

CALABRIA: Those are the games that you enjoy and when you look back those are the games that you have the memories of because the competition was so strong, two storied programs and coming down to the wire, going to overtime.

Overtime: ‘It felt good’

CAPEL: If you remember right, we were down nine (in the first overtime). And I think we hit a three. And then I got a three-point play. And they cooperated. They missed some free throws. And we had hit a free throw to cut it to three, and we fouled Zwikker. And he was a good free throw shooter.

GAUDET: You always feel, OK, we need a break, and I think Zwikker missed some free throws, which gave us an opportunity.

CAPEL: When he missed the first one, I remember thinking, like, man, just miss it. If he misses it – because I knew how much time was left. Like, I can get to this spot.

MCINNIS: Everybody asks why did Dean do that – he took three starters out. I think it was Donald (Williams), Jerry Stackhouse and myself. Me and Jerry were actually on the bench (watching) Ed Geth. And we just knew the game was over. We just knew it. So we put our bigs in just to be big.

CAPEL: They had everyone back, which I was a little bit surprised by that. They had everyone back. So when he missed it, Cherokee got it and he got it to me right quick and I just remember thinking, like, just get to this spot, just get to the spot. And I was a little bit surprised they didn’t have pressure. And there was a part of me that felt – like once I saw that, then I knew they weren’t going to foul. And so I took the dribbles, I got to the spot. And when I let it go, it felt good.

MCINNIS: We were standing there and he let it go and I said, ‘It’s good, y’all.’ And they were like, ‘No.’ And I said it’s good. And it banked and it went in. And we just couldn’t believe. We thought the game was over. Just being in that situation, like, man, this is ever lasting. It’s magic in here. It just felt like they had magic in the building that night.

PRICE: It looked straight from when it left his hand, but I thought it might be a little bit long. But as I got closer and closer – because the reason I was there, was obviously to go for an offensive rebound if there was one. And that ball went straight through the net and I kind of lost my mind. Because I was one of the guys that thought we actually won the game. I wasn’t even in tune with what the score was.

GAUDET: Credit to Jeff. He just turned and drove the length of the court. The best thing is he got as far as he could have got, and then shot the ball. So that was a real – it was unbelievable credit to a player doing something that was very heady. He’s one of the more experienced player out there – more so than Langdon and Wojo and so forth. I mean, he took the shot and you can’t say it’s a shot he’d never taken, because you’re watching kids after practice and they love to take shots like that. Unless the coach is out there saying no, come on, we’ve got to work on something else.

CAPEL: As players, you mess around and you shoot those shots all the time. And I always felt confident in my ability to hit those shots. Or to at least be close. And when I let that one go, like you hear people say I knew it was good. It felt like it – like I’m not going to say I knew it was good. But it certainly felt like it was good.

PRICE: I remember the crowd being so loud, Pete Gaudet after that shot was made and then went into the huddle to talk about strategy for the next period – he was maybe one or two feet away from us screaming at the top of his lungs and I could not hear a word he was saying it was so loud in Cameron that day.

FORD: People started falling and crushing each other. But that’s to be expected at Duke. I mean, they’re really great fans. And everybody was so happy. Come to find out my family had jumped out of the bleachers and was standing on the court. People were falling on top of each other.

MCINNIS: I remember Shammond Williams’ mom – somebody had pushed Shammond Williams’ mom. They had knocked some of our parents down they were so excited. I just remember some of our players yelling. It was so chaotic and they were so excited. And they didn’t do it intentionally, but just to see your mom flying forward, you don’t know what’s going on.

PRICE: Yeah, so that’s the loudest I’ve ever heard Cameron. And people were jumping for joy. I think some people thought that we had won the game on his shot. But it had just tied the game. And I think that’s why people were going crazy like that.

CAPEL: When it went in – the thing that was so crazy about it was that there was a guy, and I knew him. He was a year ahead of me. But he was friends with some guys on the team. I remember him running on the court. He thought the shot won the game. A lot of people do think the shot won the game. And obviously Carolina people know that it didn’t. But a lot of people that maybe weren’t a Duke fan or a Carolina fan – just a fan of basketball, that saw it – hey, you’re the guy who hit the shot to beat Carolina. I knew it didn’t win the game.

Coach Smith’s message

FORD: The first thing that came to my mind was I just wanted to make sure that we didn’t have a big letdown. I tried to show a lot of energy myself. And of course it was tough. But we had a lot of basketball to play. And playing over there, and they’re playing as well as they had played at any particular time that year. And I just grew to expect things like that when we played each other.

MCINNIS: Coach Smith. ... He was just so never, never, never rattled by anything. I mean, he hit the shot and we’re in the huddle – he’s like, that’s right where we want to be. And as players we’re like, what? We had the game won. So he’s in the huddle like we’re right where we want to be. And I can’t ever remember a situation where he didn’t feel like we could win the game.

CALABRIA: In the huddle, (Smith) was really, really calm and collected. So you never got overly excited about something because he was very calm about everything. I mean, I can remember my freshman year we played Cincinnati in the Meadowlands to go to the Final Four. And we had a possession underneath the basket out of bounds and we executed incredibly and got the exact shot we wanted, but we missed the dunk. And then we had to go to overtime. And I just remember coach, we just came off the bench and I came off the court and guys were a little bit dejected, and the first thing coach said was like, ‘OK, we’ve just got to win in overtime.’

FORD: I thought our guys – to me, they really showed some toughness. Mental toughness that game. Sometimes when you let an opponent that is not as good as you are hang around and that opponent, the longer the game goes, the opponent gains confidence and the shots that hit the backboard from the 3-point start going in. Half court shots start going in. And for us to hang in there and keep our poise and keep playing – that showed a lot of mental toughness that game.

GAUDET: There were breaks – there were good breaks and there were bad breaks. I mean, we had a (turnover) on an inbounds play toward the end of the (final overtime). It’s not anything where you blame anybody. I mean, I think the turnover came on a sub. Guys were starting to foul out. Rasheed fouled out. I think Erik Meek or Cherokee – one of them fouled out. How then can you say what’s your game plan when you get that late into a game?

MCINNIS: I remember me and Wojciechowski going out in the second overtime, and he was looking at me and I was looking at him, like somebody win. Like, you know? Somebody win. I’m tired. You’re tired. Somebody just win. It was to the point, I think the players were getting exhausted.

CAPEL: I remember the second play of the double-overtime, Larry Rose called a horrible foul on me, which was my fifth foul. And so I was out.

MCINNIS: When I stole the ball and made it 102 to 98, a lot of people didn’t even see that, because it happened so fast. And that was something I always used to get in trouble for with Dean Smith. I would always get in trouble. He would tell me to leave that guy alone taking the ball out and get ready to pressure the ball. So just me from playing in the playground so much, I’d always try to get steals like that and just something just told me to gamble and he threw it right in my hands and I laid it up and I think if you remember that play the whole bench for Carolina was telling the dude that we scored. Because they didn’t even put the points up. Because nobody saw it. Like, the ref didn’t see it.

PRICE: For us it was just the same old story, because that year, we’re last in the ACC and we’re having a terrible year. But we never got blown out. We lost all of our games, our ACC contest games, by six points or less. Six points or less. And there was another situation going into Carolina where we’re losing a game, a close game, by six points or less. So it was a tough pill to swallow but that’s how the season was all year long. And I think when you lose close games like that it comes down to coaching. And not having coach K there on the bench definitely was the missing piece.

CALABRIA: I’s funny because I’ve seen that replay a couple of times and at the end of the game when Greg Newton got the rebound, I’m standing right next to him and I was so tired it was very difficult for me to even raise my hands to contest the (final) shot (of the game). It looks like I did it half-halfheartedly but I was doing it 100 percent. Just didn’t have much energy left. And I think both teams were – it was just an exhausting game but it was such an intense game.

PRICE: It sucked to be on the losing end. And then it sucked even more because as a sophomore, I had a chance to hit a game-winning shot against Carolina and I missed that. And that was the prelude for me making the Maryland shot. So in my career I only beat Carolina one time in my career. And so that’s one thing that sticks out for me is that I wasn’t always able to beat Carolina more than they beat me in my career.

CAPEL: The reaction then was – obviously there was no yelling. It was we just played one of the best teams, if not the best team in the country. And we were right there. And if we just continue with this effort and build, we can turn this thing around. That’s what I remember. Obviously, it was heartbreak.

GAUDET: I don’t know if you ever can put a degree of difficulty in getting over any loss. I remember Joe Smith tipping one in at the buzzer. And watching, what was it, clutching the loss from the jaws of victory, and vice versa. I just remember that as a particularly tough locker room to go into. You go in the locker room and the first thing everybody has to understand is in some ways it was a good game because we played our (butts) off. I mean, we played as hard as we could play, and got contributions from everyone and then over and above, because we had players fouling out and guys had to make and had to continue to make plays. And unfortunately Jeff was one of the guys that had to foul out.

Subdued celebration

CALABRIA: (The UNC locker room) was really kind of subdued, if I remember correctly, because of everybody being so tired. And we were definitely excited, it was a big win for us. But I don’t remember too much of a celebration. We were excited and high-fiving in the locker room, and coach was really happy and we pulled it out against a scrappy team. But again, the way that we handled stuff was usually business as usual, what was next.

GAUDET: You go back into the locker room and you feel horrible after a hard-fought game like that against real good competition. But you look at who you went against and you start just thinking about Mr. Opportunity being there. Except for a couple of breaks. When he hit that shot. But they had some breaks, they had some things happen to them. I hate to say it – it is what it is. If you ever use that quote, be sure to say, ‘I said I hate to say it.’

CAPEL: For us, with all that we had been going through that year – with the losses, with coach being out. I mean, just everything. And to be down early like that, and to look like we’re going to get run out of here, in our gym, in front or our fans. That would have been like maybe like the nail in the coffin – the get embarrassed like that. And for us to fight back in that game, and to have a chance to win, and to have a lead and to do those things. It was like, we can do this, man. We can turn this around. Obviously that never came to fruition. But that was the mood in the locker room.

CALABRIA: You knew it was a pretty incredible game but you don’t realize how incredible it was, with the lead changes and the competitiveness on the court. Basketball is in a different era from that point now. Just the straight competition, I want to say the execution of the plays, offensively, defensively – the coaches that were in the game at that point, in that particular game. There’s not a lot of situations that that can be duplicated again.

CAPEL: During my time here as a player or a coach I don’t remember it being louder in here. And it was – for me as a kid that grew up in North Carolina, that grew up watching the rivalry, and every time the game was played when I was young, my family and I we always got everything done so we could sit and watch the game. And to be a part of it, A, and then for me, especially to have a moment in it that people remember – for a kid from North Carolina to have that.

GAUDET: I don’t think anything more about that game than I would about a loss to Georgia Tech or the buzzer shot that beat us that year with Wake Forest. I’m thinking back, and I never have watched it. But over the years, five or six people have sent me the tape. A friend of mine in Kentucky, a high school coach – a few years ago – said, hey, I’m going through some stuff and I came across this. I thought you might want it. I used that DVD as a Frisbee, I think. When you think back on that kind of thing, I mean – it gave Jeff Capel a lot of pub. And more power to him. And some of those guys that were a part of that game and everything. But it’s still as an L at a time when we needed a W. So, yeah. It doesn’t mean very much. They don’t put an asterisk that says double-overtime or whatever after that L.